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Steve Jobs hat heute die Keynote auf der MacWorld gehalten. DAS Großereigniss des Applejahres. In einer Weltklasse Präsentation sieht man hier, wie die Menschen in Zukunft ihren Computer benutzen werden.Musik und Video wird portabel. Fernsehserien kö [Read More]

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» Doing 3D in charts? from SmartTechWriting
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Comments

Christian Bühlmann

In my humble opinion, the 2D graphs are also a distorsion : one intends to show one dimensional data (power consumption); This requires only a line and not a rectangle! (See "Graphical Integrity" Tuftle, The visual Display of Quantitative Information, pp 52-77)

However, the slide is going to be less good looking.

Martin

A line is used to show the value of one entity over time (or some other dimension). But I see the different CPU as different entities that exist in parallel. The chart's purpose is to contrast the different options available, not to show a prograssion over some dimension. So the use of bars is justified, I believe.

Oh, Garr, "aesthetically challenged". Now *that* is a chocolade-covered way to say "butt ugly" :-)

Michael Cushman

Good points: simplicity and clarity.

Here's another way to think about it. The human brain developed over millions of years, living in a 3D world. The more "real world" something looks, the more our brains pay attention. We can't help it; we are wired up that way. 3D stimulates more of the brain, deeply in unconscious areas of sensory and emotional processing. 3D makes things "come alive" in our brain, and we pay attention and remember better because of it.

Thanks for writing.

Best regards,
Michael
www.enagagingchange.com

met

I think it was the textures that made it bad for this presentation.

Sure its difficult to 'understand' data from some 3-d charts. But that has always been the strong point of Steve's presentations. People are supposed to come out of macworld thinking iPod is the big pie, sales are sky rocketing and the new macbooks are blazing fast.

Now if I was giving a presentation to my team members I might need more clarity. For a marketing presentation its not clarity you want - you want transparency.

Case in point - mac fans led to believe that PowerPC was the best and a complete turn around since last year.

Jeff McMurtrie

Quote: Case in point - mac fans led to believe that PowerPC was the best and a complete turn around since last year.

Ummm when's the last time Apple posted benchmarks vs Intel? Things change over time. Plus, the Core Duo has a totally different architecture than the Pentium 4.

met

Jeff, I would rather this not turn into a apple vs. the rest of the world thread. That is not my intention.
I didn't say Jobs lies to the people.

I was just trying to prove that sometimes clouding of facts is good.

Do you feel that the xbox processor is powerful? Or do you feel there's more strength in the new Macintels... Not to be compared one against the other but...

Now don't go lookup facts. Say whats on your mind now and then go lookup facts.

After which you can go searchup on P4 and G4 comparisons. Is there a clear winner? Each has their advantages and disadvantages.

Jeff McMurtrie

met,

No worries, I just wanted to point out those two facts :). Processor comparisons are not simplistic at all and where one may exceed at one set of tasks a different processor may exceed at a different set of tasks.

Garr

Thanks for your comments, Christian (and everyone). As Martin stated, lines are usually used to show change over time. In fact, in the pages you mention in Tufte's book (which are very good, I just rechecked them) lines were used in every case to show changes over time).

Tufte has a good discussion on how even a 2-D bar chart can be simplified, however (reducing the ink-to-data ratio.).

Jonathan

While your points on 2D versus 3D are valid in terms of someone who is trying to present an undistorted truth, I think you have missed the point here for a Steve Jobs keynote presentation - it is being given to market something rather than to disclose the absolute truth about it.

Taking your example of the Performance per Watt chart, you even say it yourself:

"The third bar really "towers" over the other two in part due to the  higher position of the baseline on the right. But the first bar can also appear larger than the data would support since it appears closer and has a visible top."

Did it occur to you that this was completely the desired effect? By using this particular layout for the chart, the gut reaction is that the new Intel Processor is far, far, far better than both the G4 and G5 than it actually is. The other implied effect of the layout of the 3D chart is that the G4 is actually a lot better than the G5 which makes the Intel seem even better again as it not only supersedes the prior generation (the G5), but the prior generation to that one (the G4) was also better so the G5 is perceived as being comparative junk! In other words, you are left with the impression that the Intel is not only vastly better than both the G4 and the G5, but it is in a totally different league to the G5 which is the worst of the three by a long way (though in actual fact, is only marginally worse than the G4).

Effectively, you are made the victim of a marketing con-trick.

This also applies to the other charts:

The angle that the iTunes market share is viewed at mentally decreases the 17% market for everyone else to being far less than it actually is versus the 83% of iTunes.

The increase in sales again makes the viewer perceive the results as being far better than they really are.

This means that the use of 3D charts in *marketing* (where you actually do want to distort and hide the truth to your own benefit) can be done to good effect.

Now, using 3D charts in a scientific presentation where you are trying to detail the differences in your data in a truthful and transparent manner... well you would be stupid wouldn't you?

met

Jonathan, Exactly what I was trying to say with all those mumbo jumbo up there :)

But of course when the public starts to 'understand' this technique you will have to bring clarity to the charts (so that they still trust you) and then move on to cloud the next thing ;)

Darren

Can't stand the wood/marble effect but have played around with using the 3D graphs with plain colors and they come up a bit better (still not as good as 2D in my mind) but good to have the alternative available.

Les Posen

There is one thing I would have liked to see to help me make better sense of the Performance per watt diagram featuring the wooden blocks (did the US schools ever use Cuisenaire to teach math?).

It's what I see over on the Accelerated Mac site where comparisons are made between various Macs, running various apps.

For some comps., longer bars mean "better". For some, shorter bars means "better". Would it help our more immediate understanding if Jobs had put a column next to the Y axis that clearly stated "better-worse". I can't recall if he actually stated that...

I think it helps when making comparisons for groups who might not know jargon.

Berkana

If humans intuitively tend to pay more attention toward 3-D objects and representations of 3-D objects, but 2-D is the superior way of presenting the data, I suggest this:

When the graph is rotating into view, let it rotate in as 3-D, but the final perspective should be head on, with no depth visible, and the data plainly displayed, so no guessing at depth perception is necessary.

While rotating in, the audience will have the sense of depth and relative size of each element, but the final view will have all the 2-D goodness we know is best for graphs.

JulesLt

Interesting and helpful article (especially the links back to the classics).

I'm sure it will be useful to marketeers for precisely the reasons outlined above - the ability to usefully distort the facts.

On subject of the Core Duo architecture, it's accurate to say it's not based on the P4, but Yonah IS based on the Pentium-M which in turn is based on the P3 - i.e. the NetBurst architecture designed around 2000.

The new architecture - Conroe/Merom - isn't due until later this year. This is a bottom up re-design - the first since 2000 - 64 bit, low power consumption, etc.

This is the 'roadmap' Steve was talking about last year. I think Intel have been a little bit naughty, in that rebranding the chips as core has implied there is more difference than there really is. Core Solo = a Pentium-M speed bump. Conroe will is the G4-to-G5 step.

Dll

The human brain developed over millions of years, living in a 3D world. The more "real world" something looks, the more our brains pay attention. We can't help it; we are wired up that way. 3D stimulates more of the brain, deeply in unconscious areas of sensory and emotional processing.

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